or foreign policy, so the idea that he would be disengaged is unless something happened, i have never seen in the two years of intensity when i was there, i just don't buy it. >> so a very forceful defense of president obama by his first white house chief of staff. one other thing that was interesting is mayor emanuel when he was chief of staff, brooke, he was very open about suggesting that there not be this very ambitious widespread attempt to reform health care in this country. he thought it should be a more incremental approach, expanding health care for children and small businesses, but president obama disagreed with him. he talked about that at length also in terms of president obama wanting to hear opposing points of view, brooke. >> as you point out, the president speaking in a matter of minutes from boston, then we'll watch for you, jake tapper, and watch for this interview with the now current mayor of chicago, rahm emanuel. "the lead" starts in just a couple minutes. thank you, sir, for that. >>> before i let you know, coming up, we're talking about a global wine shortage?